Comments on: Announcing DebGem (beta), the RubyGem-to-Apt conversion service http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/ Fri, 03 Feb 2012 23:02:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Boycott Novell » Links 09/01/2009: Palm’s Linux Debut, Chrome for GNU/Linux Nearer http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4553 Boycott Novell » Links 09/01/2009: Palm’s Linux Debut, Chrome for GNU/Linux Nearer Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:28:12 +0000 http://blog.phusion.nl/?p=63#comment-4553 [...] Announcing DebGem (beta), the RubyGem-to-Apt conversion service Installing Ruby/Rails software on Debian and Ubuntu Linux distributions has been less than ideal until now. Ruby has a package manager called RubyGems, but Debian-based distributions have their own package manager, namely Apt, which manages the entire system and is preferred by most Debian users. RubyGems does not integrate well with Apt and cannot handle native Debian package dependencies. But on the other hand, Ruby software provided through the current Debian Apt repositories are not always up-to-date, e.g. the latest Rails version is often not available. [...] [...] Announcing DebGem (beta), the RubyGem-to-Apt conversion service Installing Ruby/Rails software on Debian and Ubuntu Linux distributions has been less than ideal until now. Ruby has a package manager called RubyGems, but Debian-based distributions have their own package manager, namely Apt, which manages the entire system and is preferred by most Debian users. RubyGems does not integrate well with Apt and cannot handle native Debian package dependencies. But on the other hand, Ruby software provided through the current Debian Apt repositories are not always up-to-date, e.g. the latest Rails version is often not available. [...]

]]> By: Tom Simnett http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4538 Tom Simnett Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:47:08 +0000 http://blog.phusion.nl/?p=63#comment-4538 This is awesome. We started to build a repository of the gems we used regularly, but this wipes the floor with it. Thank you so much! Tom This is awesome.

We started to build a repository of the gems we used regularly, but this wipes the floor with it. Thank you so much!

Tom

]]> By: DebGem - Ruby Libraries Packaged for Debian and Ubuntu : WebNetiques http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4533 DebGem - Ruby Libraries Packaged for Debian and Ubuntu : WebNetiques Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:13:53 +0000 http://blog.phusion.nl/?p=63#comment-4533 [...] the company responsible for Passenger - the Rails deployment system, has today announced DebGem, a “RubyGem to APT conversion [...] [...] the company responsible for Passenger – the Rails deployment system, has today announced DebGem, a “RubyGem to APT conversion [...]

]]> By: Gaveen http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4526 Gaveen Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:43:54 +0000 http://blog.phusion.nl/?p=63#comment-4526 I hate to be negative, especially with awesome people like you guys who's been doing great stuff so far. But I'll have to admit that IMHO, this is a horrible idea. Ultimately what you are offering is (just) an ATP repository which asks for payment to be used on a limited number of machines. It doesn't sound appealing, does it? So what does it have to offer for the money? For a SysAdmin, probably not much. It could have a niche in where developers try to deploy for themselves. But as a SysAdmin who's been deploying Ruby/Rails apps for over a year, I fail to see why RubyGems is not good enough in most of the generic cases. Installing certain gems might cause minor inconveniences, but nothing a SysAdmin can't handle. When we try to apply this to large scale deployments, scripting and automation skills would be enough to handle it. Sure, DebGem is more convenient in such a case. But still it's not appealing with the current pricing model. Even for people who are going to purchase subscriptions, it'd be hard for you to enforce your subscription based pricing with software like APT-Proxy (or retrieval from APT cache). I just came across this post and this is my first reaction. Hey, even Linus Torvalds made the mistake of underestimating Linux (so did MS and Gartnet Group). Couple of years ago who would've thought Cats with Captions were going to be all over the Net. So I'm not saying it's dead. It's just, if it was me I'd have thought again about how I'm going to proceed with this project. Being said all that, wish you guys good luck! All the best with your awesome projects. I hate to be negative, especially with awesome people like you guys who’s been doing great stuff so far. But I’ll have to admit that IMHO, this is a horrible idea.

Ultimately what you are offering is (just) an ATP repository which asks for payment to be used on a limited number of machines. It doesn’t sound appealing, does it?

So what does it have to offer for the money? For a SysAdmin, probably not much. It could have a niche in where developers try to deploy for themselves. But as a SysAdmin who’s been deploying Ruby/Rails apps for over a year, I fail to see why RubyGems is not good enough in most of the generic cases. Installing certain gems might cause minor inconveniences, but nothing a SysAdmin can’t handle. When we try to apply this to large scale deployments, scripting and automation skills would be enough to handle it. Sure, DebGem is more convenient in such a case. But still it’s not appealing with the current pricing model.

Even for people who are going to purchase subscriptions, it’d be hard for you to enforce your subscription based pricing with software like APT-Proxy (or retrieval from APT cache).

I just came across this post and this is my first reaction. Hey, even Linus Torvalds made the mistake of underestimating Linux (so did MS and Gartnet Group). Couple of years ago who would’ve thought Cats with Captions were going to be all over the Net. So I’m not saying it’s dead. It’s just, if it was me I’d have thought again about how I’m going to proceed with this project.

Being said all that, wish you guys good luck! All the best with your awesome projects.

]]> By: Shairon Toledo http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4523 Shairon Toledo Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:57:01 +0000 http://blog.phusion.nl/?p=63#comment-4523 Awesome! Thanks guys! I've just post using rghost project. it's working fine with debgem. http://www.hashcode.eti.br/?p=240 Awesome! Thanks guys!

I’ve just post using rghost project. it’s working fine with debgem.

http://www.hashcode.eti.br/?p=240

]]> By: Thijs Burema http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4513 Thijs Burema Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:48:20 +0000 http://blog.phusion.nl/?p=63#comment-4513 dude... super cool ! need some debian developers contact ? mail me ! https://nm.debian.org/gpg_need.php dude… super cool !
need some debian developers contact ? mail me !

https://nm.debian.org/gpg_need.php

]]> By: anita http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4512 anita Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:36:01 +0000 http://blog.phusion.nl/?p=63#comment-4512 You guys are great. I can't believe this. You have no idea how many times I have run into problems with the Ubuntu/Rubygem incompatibility. This will definitely be something that I will pay for because I know you guys will do this right. Fantastic!! You guys are great. I can’t believe this. You have no idea how many times I have run into problems with the Ubuntu/Rubygem incompatibility. This will definitely be something that I will pay for because I know you guys will do this right. Fantastic!!

]]> By: Dev Blog AF83 » Blog Archive » Veille technologique : articles, IE6, Javascript, technologies, frameworks, performances, OpenID… http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4510 Dev Blog AF83 » Blog Archive » Veille technologique : articles, IE6, Javascript, technologies, frameworks, performances, OpenID… Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:17:14 +0000 http://blog.phusion.nl/?p=63#comment-4510 [...] http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/ : un service pour convertir des gems Ruby en paquet apt pour Debian. [...] [...] http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/ : un service pour convertir des gems Ruby en paquet apt pour Debian. [...]

]]> By: hongli http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4509 hongli Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:57:34 +0000 http://blog.phusion.nl/?p=63#comment-4509 @Sergei: REE support will come, in time. But before it can be done it must first be natively packaged for *all* distributions, that's a lot of work. We'll also have to generate packages separately for each distribution with REE, thus effectively doubling the energy that we need to spend into it. @Sergei: REE support will come, in time. But before it can be done it must first be natively packaged for *all* distributions, that’s a lot of work. We’ll also have to generate packages separately for each distribution with REE, thus effectively doubling the energy that we need to spend into it.

]]> By: Sergei Serdyuk http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/01/06/announcing-debgem-beta-the-rubygem-to-apt-conversion-service/comment-page-1/#comment-4508 Sergei Serdyuk Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:48:54 +0000 http://blog.phusion.nl/?p=63#comment-4508 Interestingly enough, there is not REE in that repository, which renders it useless because you have to reinstall gems if you compile REE. Interestingly enough, there is not REE in that repository, which renders it useless because you have to reinstall gems if you compile REE.

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